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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Jul 6, 2011 10:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The future of music "is Torture and Death" - thanks Apple!

Bon Jovi says: 'Steve Jobs Is Personally Responsible For Killing The Music Business'

-- Huffpost Entertainment, March 15, 2011
You can download Bon Jovi songs on iTunes, but don't expect the band to be too happy about it.

Rocker Jon Bon Jovi, whose band soared to prominence with its 1986 album Slippery When Wet, reminisced in the Sunday Times Magazine about his days as a kid in New Jersey, falling in love with music -- and ripped Apple CEO Steve Jobs for taking that opportunity away from a new generation of listeners.

"Kids today have missed the whole experience of putting the headphones on, turning it up to 10, holding the jacket, closing their eyes and getting lost in an album; and the beauty of taking your allowance money and making a decision based on the jacket, not knowing what the record sounded like, and looking at a couple of still pictures and imagining it," he said (via MSN), thinking back to his record buying days. Then came the less fanciful: the blame.

"God, it was a magical, magical time. I hate to sound like an old man now, but I am, and you mark my words, in a generation from now people are going to say: 'What happened?' Steve Jobs is personally responsible for killing the music business."

Interestingly, his criticism isn't about illegal downloading or any skewed road to success; instead, Bon Jovi is complaining about the actual experience of listening to music, which he thinks has been downgraded by iTunes downloads and iPods.

Apple's iTunes Store has become the number one music vendor in the country; on February 24th, it sold its 10 billionth song download. Of course, most downloads come in single song form, not a full album, and album art work certainly is less prominent. For his part, the rocker's band has released special editions of albums with bonus songs on the service (such as 2009's The Circle), though that may be in order to keep up with the times, not so much a celebration of online downloading.

Apple reported record revenue and profits for the company's first fiscal quarter of 2011, backed by record Mac, iPhone, and iPad sales. Apple reported profits of $6 billion on revenue of $26.74 billion. Apple's profits increased by 78 percent compared to the same period last year, and the company's revenues by 70.5 percent. Analysts were expecting revenue of $24.38 billion.

Steve Jobs and Apple love to Torture Apple Workers in China. Apple runs huge Concentration Camps in China. Apple operates The World's cruelest torture chambers.

Blow Me, America! You're LOSERS! I'm a Billionaire now! I HATE workers in America!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jul 6, 2011 10:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The future of music 'is Torture and Death' - thanks Apple!

well I certainly think it sucks but I guess that makes me a cranky old guy now. I see my teenage kids dowloading their ONE tune from a band, doing it at a friends house where it's supposedly legal and yet he doesn't pay for shit so sounds suspect to me. I used to love browsing for hours in a record store and still do on the rare occasion I'm in a real city that has a real store as opposed to the one stop shopping with no selection we have here.

But it's the way and it's not going back so oh well

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 6, 2011 10:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The future of music 'is Torture and Death' - thanks Apple!

and that's why I was gifted and hooked up a late 70's very nice turntable this past weekend to my big tube amp sansui receiver and dahlquist speakers. kathleen turner overdrive...

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jul 6, 2011 10:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The future of music 'is Torture and Death' - thanks Apple!

sweet. Actually I had two or three Best Buy gift cards stockpiled but RARELY do they have any music worth buying ( sometimes they surprise me ). So I bought a turn table with a usb interface and SW so I can record my old albums to disc. It'll be as if I got at least 50 new CD's. Have NO idea what I'll do with this thing after I convert. Perhaps buy more old records from time to time

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 6, 2011 11:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The future of music 'is Torture and Death' - thanks Apple!

two words: YARD SALE. Can find diamonds in the rust (not that I'd buy "diamonds and rust")

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jul 6, 2011 11:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The future of music 'is Torture and Death' - thanks Apple!

I bought a couple of LPs when were down in CA last

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Poster: Left Hand Monkey Date: Jul 6, 2011 3:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The future of music 'is Torture and Death' - thanks Apple!

Not even the several different Judas Priest versions?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 6, 2011 4:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The future of music 'is Torture and Death' - thanks Apple!

Was definitely referring to Joan, not Judas.

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Poster: billydlions Date: Jul 6, 2011 3:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The future of music 'is Torture and Death' - thanks Apple!

Unleashed in the East! The best Priest album.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jul 7, 2011 6:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The future of music 'is Torture and Death' - thanks Apple!

Hey John, that is a great idea (record player with USB). I will have to look into this as i still have boxes of old records that i keep lugging around. Of course if i pick up the turntable, i will hook it up to my Apple computer so i can play the music on my ipod and iphone or my wife can enjoy it on her ipad. I used to think you were the angriest anti-apple guy out there. You may recall i even theorized on why you hated them (crabapple fights, etc). Now I know its a tie between Monte and Jon Bon Jovi. Someone should remind old Jon that by the time Slippery When Wet came out in 1986, CD sales were exploding and the kids weren't holding record jackets while listening to Dead or Alive or Livin' on a Prayer. Steve Jobs didn't invent the mp3, Alanis Morrisette did, right? Steve didn't invent downloading music or single songs, Napster made that popular with the kids. All Apple did was take what was a niche market and pirated music and bring it to the mainstream with a cool device and easy way to legally put music on it. If Jon doesn't want the album sold as individual songs he can do like Pink Floyd did and sue.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jul 7, 2011 9:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The future of music 'is Torture and Death' - thanks Apple!

great! I'm no longer the worlds angriest Apple hater while you have moved into the slot of the world's most under paid Apple advertiser and cheerleader ( unless you have stock or work for Apple then you are getting paid to fawn all over Jobs ) HA!

Seriously, I wouldn't put the blame on Apple for reasons you stated. They do what they always do - take someone else's idea and make it proprietary

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Jul 6, 2011 2:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The future of music 'is Torture and Death' - thanks Apple!

Steve Jobs says, "You Dirtbag! I LOVE KILLING PEOPLE! I make billions of dollars treating my overseas Apple Workers like the scumbags THEY ARE! American Workers are Losers! Blow ME! You Suck!"

Steve Jobs says, "I recently installed Chicken Wire at My Factories. I'm a friggin' genius! Now my steel wire meshes are fitted to the windows at Foxconn's factory. This keeps more of My Apple Workers from jumping to their deaths. My iPod and iPad workers committed a rash of suicides there. Apple also installed safety nets around the buildings. I KEEP My Chinese Apple Workers subjected to extremely harsh management practices. ME and Apple are rotten to the core!"

Revealed: Inside the Chinese suicide sweatshop where Apple Workers toil in 34-hour shifts to make your iPod

-- by Andrew Malone and Richard Jones,, 11 June 2010
When Apple boss Steve Jobs unveiled his latest creation this week, the event was given quasi-religious significance. At a ceremony in San Francisco, more than 5,000 supplicants paid homage to a man hailed by some as a visionary.

Tickets to the event cost £1,000 - and guests watched in awe as Jobs, in his trademark black turtleneck jumper and blue jeans (he wears the same outfit seven days a week), held up the new Apple iPhone in front of a giant computer-generated image of himself.

With Apple now the biggest computing company on the planet, the 55-year-old could have been forgiven for looking smug. His latest iPhone, like the models before, is expected to generate billions in sales.

And with sales of his new iPad hitting one million in the U.S. within 28 days of its launch - one was sold every three seconds - Jobs has been credited with changing the way we live, introducing gadgets that keep us permanently connected.

They've also fuelled a massive sub-industry in phone applications or 'apps' which do everything from turning your phone into a virtual spirit level to timing pregnant women's contractions.

Given up for adoption as a baby, Jobs also likes to pose as a man of the California 'counter-culture' era, who made his fortune after taking LSD during a 'spiritual journey' in India, returning as a devout, shaven-headed Buddhist.

From those humble, supposedly spiritual beginnings, he is now a business behemoth, eclipsing Bill Gates at Microsoft as the most powerful man in computing. Apple's income currently approaches £10billion a year.

'I wish him [Bill Gates] the best, I really do,' Jobs once smirked. 'I just think he and Microsoft are a bit narrow. He'd be a broader guy if he had dropped acid once or gone off to an ashram when he was younger.'

Yet, amid all the fanfare and celebrations this week, there was one sour, niggling note: reports of a spate of suicides at a secretive Chinese complex where Jobs's iPhone, iPod and iPad - Apple's new state-of-the-art slimline computer - are built and assembled.

With 11 workers taking their lives in sinister circumstances, Jobs acted swiftly to quell a potential public relations disaster.

Stressing that he found the deaths 'troubling' and that he was 'all over it', the billionaire brushed aside suggestions that the factory was a sweatshop.

'You go in this place and it's a factory but, my gosh, they've got restaurants and movie theatres and hospitals and swimming pools,' he said. 'For a factory, it's pretty nice.'

His definition of 'nice' is questionable and likely to have his American workers in uproar if such conditions were imposed upon them.

For, as Apple's leader was taking a bow on the world stage, the Mail was under cover inside this Chinese complex. And we encountered a strange, disturbing world where new recruits are drilled along military lines, ordered to stand for the company song and kept in barracks like battery hens - all for little more than £20 a week.

In what's been dubbed the 'i-Nightmare factory', the scandal focuses on two sprawling complexes near Shenzhen, two decades ago a small fishing port and now a city of 17 million people.

This is the epicentre of operations for Foxconn, China's biggest exporter, which makes products under licence for Apple using a 420,000-strong workforce in Shenzhen. They have 800,000 workers country-wide.

And as Jobs was speaking in San Francisco, new measures were being secretly introduced at Foxconn to prevent the suicide scandal from worsening and damaging Apple sales globally.

Astonishingly, this involves forcing all Foxconn employees to sign a new legally binding document promising that they won't kill themselves.

The document, a copy of which has been obtained by the Mail, states that all employees (or their dependants) must promise not to sue the company as the result of 'any unexpected death or injury, including suicide or self torture'.

The owner of this massive, highly controlled iPad and iPhone factory has also decided to install something he's dubbed 'ai xin wang' - which translates literally as 'nets of a loving heart'

In reality, these 'loving hearts' are 10ft high wire fences on the roofs and 15ft wide nets at the base of all buildings. The human traps are to prevent people jumping to their deaths and smashing themselves on the pavements below.

Alongside such physical impediments to suicide, hundreds of monks have been flown in to the plant to exorcise evil spirits. Shaven-headed and wearing long robes, groups of monks have been seen chanting and praying amid baffled, exhausted workers.

More than 2,000 social workers are also being recruited and emergency helplines set up. Anyone appearing mentally ill or stressed is being identified by a special 'spotters' team set up to keep tabs on the workforce.

Workers who fail to respond to the chanting monks or the entreaties of social workers are secretly shipped to Shenzhen Mental Health Centre, a private facility where there are several wards crammed with Foxconn employees.

With the complex at peak production, operating 24 hours a day, seven days a week to meet the global demand for Apple phones and computers, a typical day begins with the Chinese national anthem being played over loudspeakers, with the words: 'Arise, arise, arise, millions of hearts with one mind.'

As part of this Orwellian control, the public address system constantly relays propaganda, such as how many products have been made; how a new basketball court has been built for the workers; and why workers should 'value efficiency every minute, every second'.

With other company slogans painted on workshop walls - including exhortations to 'achieve goals unless the sun no longer rises' and to 'gather all of the elite and Foxconn will get stronger and stronger' - the employees work up to 15-hour shifts.

Down narrow, prison-like corridors, they sleep in cramped rooms in triple-decked bunk beds to save space, with simple bamboo mats for mattresses.

Despite summer temperatures hitting 35 degrees, with 90 per cent humidity, there is no air-conditioning. Workers say some dormitories house more than 40 people and are infested with ants and cockroaches, with the noise and stench making it difficult to sleep.

These workers answer to Terry Gou, an authoritarian figure whose contracts with Apple have helped make him, like his partner Jobs, one of the richest men in the world with a fortune estimated at £5.5billion.

While Jobs was away taking drugs in India, Gou - whose parents fled communist China to Taiwan - was starting Foxconn, employing ten workers to make television sets at his fledgling company.

But he quickly realised that there was a fortune to be made from China's booming population - a massive, cheap labour-force waiting to be exploited.

A workaholic, disciplinarian and perfectionist, Gou, 60, adopted a strict management style, inspired by his days in the private Taipei College of Maritime Technology followed by two years in the Taiwanese army.

Critics have dubbed iPhone maker Foxconn's complex an 'i-Nightmare factory'.

New recruits at Foxconn are subjected to weeks of military-style drilling in order to build discipline. This is intended, as Gou puts it, to 'agglomerate them to act in unison and in concert' so that he can build a 'unique Foxconnian culture'.

As well as slogans on the walls, Gou orders staff to wear jackets bearing slogans such as: 'Together everyone achieves more.'

Strict discipline is enforced, with pay docked for any breaches under a bizarre points system. Points are deducted for crimes such as having long nails, being late, yawning, eating, sitting on the floor, talking or walking quickly.

During a week-long investigation, which involved dodging the security guards who constantly patrol the Foxconn complex and who beat up a Reuters photographer earlier this year, we spoke to dozens of workers on condition of anonymity.

On top of the living conditions, they all complained of intolerable pressure to hit targets for booming Apple sales, with managers exhorting what Gou calls his 'family' to work until they are ready to drop.

'There are just three points to your life when you work at Foxconn,' says Huang, 21, who finally quit last month because of the pressure. 'Going to work, coming-home from work and sleeping.' He added: 'You are totally isolated from the outside world. I walked the same path from dorm to factory and back to dorm. That was my world.

'There's no entertainment and no TV. There were 12 workers in my dorm, with some doing days, others nights and there was not a single person to talk to.'

Ma Xiangqian, 18, who killed himself earlier this year after just three months at Foxconn, was too scared to give up his job, despite the pressure, knowing poverty awaited as thousands compete for a single post.

He slowly cracked. First, he was 'fined' from his wages for breaking two tools by accident. After being exhorted to work harder, he was eventually taken off the production line and forced to wash toilets for several weeks as punishment.

He told his sister he was 'ashamed' of the way he was being treated. On January 23, he was found in a pool of blood at the foot of his dormitory block. His sister, who also worked at Foxconn, was told he had fainted and was recovering in hospital.

In reality, her brother was already in the morgue. She was then told that Ma was a victim of unexplained 'sudden death'.

After she took the highly unusual step of protesting and demanding a post mortem, Foxconn officials later changed the cause of death to 'falling from a great height'.

Like Jobs, Gou dismisses claims that working conditions at the complex are to blame, saying the spate of suicides were due to ' personal' reasons' such as broken relationships.

To the fury of his dead employees' relatives, Gou also claimed that some people had killed themselves for the money - saying they wanted Foxconn's 'generous compensation' for their families.

That is not the view of Yao Ruoqin, one of three known survivors of Apple suicide attempts. We found her at a Shenzhen hospital, although her name was not on official ward records.

'Terry Gou couldn't care less about me,' she said, recovering from broken hips and a damaged liver after jumping from the seventh floor at Foxconn.

Two other survivors we found at a local hospital - one called Tian Yu, 17, who has been paralysed from the waist down - refused to speak, saying Foxconn had threatened to stop paying their medical bills if they went public.

Appearing to confirm claims of overwork, another worker, Yan Li, 27, collapsed and died last week from exhaustion, according to SACOM, (Students & Scholars Against Corporate Misbehavior), a Hong Kong pressure group that is monitoring the situation.

Yan collapsed having worked continuously for 34 hours. He was on the night shift for a month and had worked overtime every night, according to his wife.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, one line manager told us that there is constant pressure among all workers. 'We must meet the quota every day at the maximum quality,' said the man. 'There are several layers of management with the pressure coming from above.'

Qing Tong, 28, a former manager at Foxconn, has written a book detailing her experiences at the company, saying all traces of individual personality among workers must be erased to achieve Gou's mantra that 'time is money and efficiency is life'.

After details of the Chinese suicides leaked out, and Jobs promised he was 'all over it', his Chinese partner announced that his workers would receive a generous-sounding 30 per cent pay rise, raising the basic wage from £90 to £120 a month.

Yet human r ights groups denounced this as a public relations sham, saying that the legal minimum wage was being raised by the Chinese authorities in any case.

Lu Bing Dong, 22, helps produce 21,000 iPhones daily in his workshop alone. 'The pay rise is actually stopping us making more money because now they are strictly controlling overtime,' he says.

'Foxconn are very smart - they say it's a pay rise, but we actually earn less. It's meaningless. They will increase the daily quotas [of products made] to make up for lost time.'

As we left the sprawling Foxconn complex, workers were putting cages on one dormitory block with balconies - yet another measure to keep workers from killing themselves.

'It looks even more like a prison now,' said a weary Lu, 27, returning from a 15-hour shift.

One can't help wondering how Steve Jobs, the billionaire Buddhist, manages to square Foxconn's activities with his belief in karma - that what you do in this life will be repaid in the next.

Steve Jobs says, "NO SMILES! My Apple Workers look like prisoners, not workers! I hate everything American." Apple's Foxconn slave workers in China are languishing. Look at their company logo. Apple workers pictured near the gate of a Foxconn factory in the township of Longhua, Guangdong province.

Chinese workers appeal to Apple over health worries

-- by Royston Chan, SUZHOU, China | Feb 22, 2011

Apple factories accused of exploiting Chinese workers

-- by Gethin Chamberlain,, Saturday 30 April 2011

Apple Factory is a Torture Chamber, Say Workers

-- by Anuradha Shetty, May 2, 2011

Apple iPad 2 Factory Explosion in Chengdu Kills 3 Workers and Injures 20 Others, Many of Them Seriously

-- May 20, 2011
There are a number of videos floating around on the web showing the moments after this explosion. Click here to view a playlist of these videos.